Using rigs on real cabinet - Kemper Profiler Forum (2024)

Hi,
that scenario sounds familiar to me.
I used to compensate for that by turning up the presence and bass around +0,5 at the monitor output EQ.

I think you should really try a couple new DI profiles - makes a helluva difference!
I could send you some Diezel Herbert DI Profiles if you're intrested.

Ever since I tried the DI's and Merged Profiles I've adjusted the monitor EQ back to "0,0,0,0"

regards,
René

Quote from ReneLangenhan

Hi,
that scenario sounds familiar to me.
I used to compensate for that by turning up the presence and bass around +0,5 at the monitor output EQ.

I think you should really try a couple new DI profiles - makes a helluva difference!
I could send you some Diezel Herbert DI Profiles if you're intrested.

Ever since I tried the DI's and Merged Profiles I've adjusted the monitor EQ back to "0,0,0,0"

regards,
René

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Thank you i'll try

Quote from ReneLangenhan

Hi,
that scenario sounds familiar to me.
I used to compensate for that by turning up the presence and bass around +0,5 at the monitor output EQ.

I think you should really try a couple new DI profiles - makes a helluva difference!
I could send you some Diezel Herbert DI Profiles if you're intrested.

Ever since I tried the DI's and Merged Profiles I've adjusted the monitor EQ back to "0,0,0,0"

regards,
René

So how do these work if you still want to run direct to FOH or do you NOT do that anymore? I like to be able to give sound guys the option.

Quote from captainbrew

Live I use a 2x12 Mesa cab connected to the speaker out on my powered toaster and then send the FOH a mono signal with cab simulation on from one of my monitor outputs. There's an option to have speaker sim off when using the speaker output which I have enable since I'm using a 2x12 guitar cab.
Works and sounds fantastic to me and every sound engineer who's mixed my band so far.

Ok so I do the same thing. Just have not tried it with the DI profiles. For some reason I assumed they didn't have any cab as part of the profile and were specifically for using a guitar cab. I use the monitor out to my power amp and then mono direct from the XLR outs. It does indeed sound great but I have been using regular profiles with the cabs monitoring off to the "monitor" output. I use a Jet City 1x12 or Splawn 2x12 depending

If you need the Cab Sim on the Main Outs for the FOH guy simply use a merged profile.
That's the way i'm starting to work more an more as my collection of DI and merged Profiles keeps growing.

Before Kemper beta-released the new features I used to live with relatively small trade off of the cabdriver function with studio profiles,
because the difference is barely noticable in a live situation for me AND I'm using IEMs for most of the shows.

The huge advantage of merged/DI Profiles is that the frequency spectrum of the amp portion which is send via the monitor out (or power amp) is much more accurate than it was with standard studio profiles.

Tim Owens posted a few awesome DI and merged profiles of his Friedman BE100 amp.... Check out the "Phase 9" files:

Quote from viabcroce

When using a DI profile (whatever FW version), it's advised to keep the cab ON

Hey all

I think I'm right here ........ please correct me if I'm not ....... if you have and are working with a ** pre-3.0 old format ** "real" DI profile - one done post-power-amp-and-pre-speaker - that you are wanting to run in to a real / normal [ non-FRFR ] guitar cab, then the best way to remember it is:-

-> for all FW pre-and-post 3.0 you must leave all Cab Simming *ON* - this way the KPA wont try to guess / estimate how much "cab" it will "remove" from the sound [ even though there is no cab to be removed ]

-> if you are working with post-3.0 new format DI profiles in FW 3.0 and later its all neatly done and automatically compartmentalized and perfectly separated for you - easy

Ben

Quote from JerEvil

So how do these work if you still want to run direct to FOH or do you NOT do that anymore? I like to be able to give sound guys the option.

With this new profiling method you can make a full (studio profile) of the amp and cab like it has been done since day one, then you can make a DI profile of only the amp, then you can copy the cab from the full profile and merge it into the DI profile. Once you've done this, you can run the monitor out to your solid-state power amp and guitar cab with the CAB disabled, and you can run the main outputs to the mixer and it will get the full profile with the cab and mic's. It works really good, the mains will get the full/studio profile sound that we are all familiar with while you will get that "amp in the room" tone on stage from your real guitar cab.

If you want to test this try this profile in the "Have Amp Will Profile, Phase 9" project. Here is the link:https://www.dropbox.com/s/fcv5umhjm93ixog/HAWP9 MRG - 2015-01-19 12-19-26.kipr?dl=0

Hi Tim

My KPA is finally at my retailer, so will be grabbing it tomorrow or the next day

Been looking at your Friedman thread - awesome work !!!!

Ive grabbed the Phase 09 DI profile already [ thanks !!!! ]

As I will be using and running my KPA in to my real/actual 2 x 12 [ Weber Alnico and Celestion Ceramic Cab ] DI profiles will be my main [only] kind of profile I will use, so may I please ask,

-> do you have or will you be doing any more DI profiles of the Friedman or any other amp ?

All the best and thanks again,
Ben

Quote from benifin

Hi Tim

My KPA is finally at my retailer, so will be grabbing it tomorrow or the next day

Been looking at your Friedman thread - awesome work !!!!

Ive grabbed the Phase 09 DI profile already [ thanks !!!! ]

As I will be using and running my KPA in to my real/actual 2 x 12 [ Weber Alnico and Celestion Ceramic Cab ] DI profiles will be my main [only] kind of profile I will use, so may I please ask,

-> do you have or will you be doing any more DI profiles of the Friedman or any other amp ?

All the best and thanks again,
Ben

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Hi Ben,

Thanks, yes I will be making more DI profiles. I was planning on always making DI/Merged profiles in the future but I'm not investing too much time into them until firmware 3 is released just in case something changes. In the mean time, if there are a few different amps settings that you would like to try just post them in the Have Amps Will Profile thread and I'd be happy to make them.

Tim

Quote from benifin

Hey all

I think I'm right here ........ please correct me if I'm not ....... if you have and are working with a ** pre-3.0 old format ** "real" DI profile - one done post-power-amp-and-pre-speaker - that you are wanting to run in to a real / normal [ non-FRFR ] guitar cab, then the best way to remember it is:-

-> for all FW pre-and-post 3.0 you must leave all Cab Simming *ON* - this way the KPA wont try to guess / estimate how much "cab" it will "remove" from the sound [ even though there is no cab to be removed ]

-> if you are working with post-3.0 new format DI profiles in FW 3.0 and later its all neatly done and automatically compartmentalized and perfectly separated for you - easy

I don't think there's a difference in this department. Keeping cab on when using a DI profile will make you hear it exactly the way you heard it when creating it, regardless the FW version you used. Trying to kill a cab that was not there will impart some weird modification to the overall sound.

I'm looking forward to hearing some other results with the new firmware before I make some kind of decision. If it does sound that much better with a real cab than before, then I may even dare I say pick up a new cab instead of using the FRFR setup on stage. Don't get me wrong here, it was very good before, but I found through trying different speakers, etc. that I didn't get as much differentiation between profiles as you obviously would get with the FRFR setup. I've gotten used to it now with the number of gigs I have done this far but still, after 35+ years of playing with a guitar speaker behind you for stage monitoring, it is still one of those things that you miss when it isn't there anymore.

What I really want is to distinctly sound like a different amp when you change profiles. I know it is a tall order but I'm hoping the new firmware with more focus on the DI profiles will do this. I'll have to DI a few of my friends amps that I borrow regularly.
I had a similar experience last year as the original poster in that the profiles in the higher gain dept, all sounded very similar through the cab with my previous powered rack.

Quote from PBGas

What I really want is to distinctly sound like a different amp when you change profiles.

I don't think the new profiling technique will remarkably change this.
The cab imparts a lot of the final sound to a rig, more than 60%.
Have you ever connected different amps to the same cab?
Have a look at this comparison among cabs where they use the same amp (Fender Supersonic).